“I agree with Alberta” Torontonians have mixed reactions to Western Separatism

Watch what happens when the bigger recession comes and the over their means population can’t afford to make the payments and Bay Street crashes. It will be hard for a divisive government to survive.

@ Andrew

“What about when the next Obama takes the white house? Trumpism is rapidly running tis course.” ? ? ?

There will not be another Obama in the WH for at least 50 years.

Trump has set the Supreme Court up for two generations of conservative, rational decisions.
Trump is going to win the 2000 election by a large margin . . . . the Dems cannot even put one sane candidate on the primary stage today.

Try to keep up man . . . Keystone is under construction today. Obama killed it because his benefactor Warren Buffet wanted to haul the oil by train . . . Buffet made BILLIONS, paid for his purchase of Burlington Northern in less than 3 years.

Today the USA is the strongest Economy on the Planet . . . . kind of like Canada was back in the day when we were the Best Economy in the G7 . . . today we barely rate in the G20.

It took the Citizens of the USA 8 years to realize that they had a disaster on their hands with the Manchurian Pres Obama . . . Canadians have 4 more years to figure it out . . . I suspect like Ontario it will likely take closer to 15 years . . . . lol

@ Wick

$70 OIL ? ? ? ?
Where did you get that from the NP ? Nonsense . . . . they are as “conservative” as Sheer . . .

“What makes you think America wants Alberta” ? ? ?

Sure get them a lot closer to Alaska . . . . and they were interested in Greenland, Alberta would be a natural fit.

Cdn $$$$ ? ? ? lol They could switch to US currency tomorrow if they were independent . . . or 51st state.

One thing they would not have to deal with is the substantial discount that has resulted from the deliberate opposition of the Eastern Elites who would rather pay miuch more to import oil than to buy Canadian.

Canada is incredibly weak.
We are weak economically, unable to trade between our own provinces, unable to get our resources to market, and disproportionately dependent on foreign trade at a time when foreign trade is receding worldwide.

And we are weak when it comes to national unity. Any sense of unifying federal Canadian nationalism has been stamped out by the corrupt elites, and that has led to the rise of provincial and regional nationalism, something which was already prevalent in Quebec and is surging in Western Canada.

A couple of years old but still relevant . . . .Barrel Breakdown
The cost of producing a barrel of oil and gas varies widely across the world, setting up winners and losers as the price of crude fluctuates at historically low levels.

http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/

Remember when . . . .
World’s Richest Middle Class . . . NY Times
World’s Best Reputation . . . Reputation Institute
Best Wage Growth in G7 Nations . . . 2007-2012
Best Oilfield Salaries in the World . . .
Best Oilfield Enviro Regs in the World . . . Harvard Bus School
Best Country to do Business . . . . Forbes
World’s Best Debt to GDP Ratio , . . OECD

ALL of that is in the REAR VIEW Mirror today Canada . . . .

Dale,

You can dislike The CONSERVATIVE National Post all you want, but you are being ignorant if you are going to ignore the facts stated.

Alberta can’t do much without Canada. It is naïve to think that you can just separate and then be open for business. You have nothing. No Canadian dollar, no USMCA, no TPP, no CETA, no trade deals. Good luck getting your oil to market without Canada. Oh and you need Canada for all imports.

Even if Conservatives had won.

Even if you had 4 pipelines in every direction.

Even if protesters didn’t exist.

Nobody would buy your $70 oil if they can buy it elsewhere for $45.

What makes you think America wants Alberta exactly? They already have their own Texas and have the oil they need.

A separatist initiative in the west would receive a very high percentage of “yes” votes. I don’t know if it would be a majority or not…. at least today. But unless there’s some drastic change from Ottawa, within a year it will definitely be a majority. I see absolutely no benefit to Western Canada’s remaining within confederation… at least to Western Canada. However, the one problem I do see is there can be no vote for secession unless someone calls for the vote. Who has the authority to call for that vote? Those in position of authority that could make that call won’t do it because it’s not in their best interest to do so. Like most politicians they’re more interested in serving their own self-interest than reflecting the will of their constituents. So there has to be a grass roots initiative from those outside of any current government that builds up enough momentum that they cannot be ignored. Can that happen? I don’t know. A lot of people would have to be woken out of their apathetic coma for that to happen.

Mark Chadwick commented 2019-10-24 14:23:43 -0400 · Flag
Total collapse of the Canadian economy , and the northern peso . And of coarse tons of sewage going into our lakes rivers and ocean "

By what metric is the economy collapsing? The “northenr peso” is 76 cents, exactly where it’s been since early 2015.

Scheer’s platform, to slow infrastructure spending, would have delayed the infrastructure projects including those meant to reduce the emission of sewage into watercourses. How does that help?

“The National Post is another Cdn Media joke . . . Alberta would do just fine, especially as the 51st State of the Greatest Country on the Planet today!:

“Greatest” anyway. Depends if you buy their rather dogmatic internal messaging. They have some pretty profound internal problems that put our economic squabbles to shame.

What about when the next Obama takes the white house? Trumpism is rapidly running tis course.

They woulndt give you statehood anyway, they’d have to do something with Puerto Rico and DC alongside, the GOP would never do that and the Dems were the ones that blocked Keystone. Pick your poison.

Total collapse of the Canadian economy , and the northern peso . And of coarse tons of sewage going into our lakes rivers and ocean . That’s the real emergency .

@ John Wick . . . .

Remember John Alberta was treated very poorly by Trudope I . . . back in the 70s.

Canada’s joke National Oil program introduced Canooks to high prices back in the 70s. Alberta like many Thinking Canadians dispized the marxist Pierre . . . . now his idiot son is in control of the country. What could go Wrong ?

The West should have left 50 years ago . . . but didn’t !

Today Canada’s future is not looking bright . . . Manufacturing has pretty much been hollowed out, individual Rights & Freedom not doing any better . . . today we are riding on the Booming US Economy coatails !

The National Post is another Cdn Media joke . . . Alberta would do just fine, especially as the 51st State of the Greatest Country on the Planet today!
The question shoud be . . . how does the rest of Canada pick up the slack? Perhaps importing a few million more uneducated from the 3rd world will solve the problem . . . lol

Canada has been heading in the Wrong Direction now for 4 years . . . and looks like we will have another 4 years of much of the same . . . as 100s of businesses and 100s of Billions of Investment Capital have left already . . . what comes next?

From The Conservative National Post.

Why Alberta separatism is the dumbest political movement in Canada today.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-alberta-separatism-is-the-dumbest-political-movement-in-canada-today

This is not a new phenomenon, Alberta voting conservative. Oh wait:

2019 – 69%
2015 – 60%
2011 – 67%
2008 – 65%
2004 – 62%
1984 – 69%
1980 – 65%
1979 – 65%

Let’s not pretend this is something that started with Justin.

“Maurice Potvin commented 2019-10-24 04:42:45 -0400 · Flag
John Wick and Andrew Stephenson are true patriotic Canadians. I’m proud of you boys. To really prove your patriotism I think you should completely disassociate yourselves from all us unwashed masses in the west and barricade yourselves inside Toronto or Ottawa in order to avoid contamination by us putrid secessionists. Since we’re not worthy of you, we’ll stay out here and see if we can make it on our own. You can still share your vacation videos with the left coast tree huggers, but the BC Interior and the BC North, along with Alberta and Saskatchewan will look for alliances else where.”

My apologies to Alberta. All this rage and threats of secession, protests in the street, etc, are perfectly justified by the magnitude of the insult committed against the province when … you didn’t get the election results you wanted.

And, yes, we apologize for using the term “temper tantrum” and referring to Albertans, off-hand, as a bunch of overgrown three year olds in yellow safety vests, busily insisting that the pencils at the election stations were some sort of vast conspiracy alongside many others designed for the sole purpose of… well, actually, there hasn’t been a purpose identified. Something about immigrants, I think.

I fully expect to see your future negotiations with President Occasio-Cortez to be fruitful.

Canada is obviously Balcanized politically and culturally and it’s only going to get worse.

Leftists talk about treaties . It would be interesting to show the treaty the French signed after getting their ass kick on the plans of Abraham . As far as I’m concerned that is all that Quebec was entitled to , and only have the lines now due to the confederation . So if the confederation breaks up the line revert back to the 1800’s .

John Wick and Andrew Stephenson are true patriotic Canadians. I’m proud of you boys. To really prove your patriotism I think you should completely disassociate yourselves from all us unwashed masses in the west and barricade yourselves inside Toronto or Ottawa in order to avoid contamination by us putrid secessionists. Since we’re not worthy of you, we’ll stay out here and see if we can make it on our own. You can still share your vacation videos with the left coast tree huggers, but the BC Interior and the BC North, along with Alberta and Saskatchewan will look for alliances else where. A division of the land much along the lines of Liz Rosie’s proposal.

Absolutely out of sync Andrew, that’s the point, and we never will be IN sync with the way you want to live . So, fences. Figuratively for sure and literally if necessary. We cannot stay on this path with you. Not going to happen. Not a meltdown, but resolute.

John Wick, If you separate – you have NOTHING. You have no dollar,
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John, during the 1992 recession when our dollar was worth 64 cents, the US offered the proposal of us using their dollar. They don’t care as half the world uses their money.
What could they do about it even if their was no permission ?

The US wants countries to use US money in order to stop China and Russia from competing with their currency. (possibly backed with Gold and Silver.)

“Regarding the rest of your comment Andrew, a lot of things are about to change for the west.”

That’s not to say it isn’t Alberta vs. everyone else, or that Alberta, and maybe Saskatchewan, are the odd ones out, not Toronto (or the other big cities).

The only ones melting down seem to be Albertans, again highlighting that they’re rather out of sync with ROC.

Andrew, re: not knowing what the country is about. I was born in the east, lived my formative years there. I have been to every province but NFL and lived in five of them, often more than once. Northern parts, southern, eastern and western, interior and coastal, French and Anglo, country and city dwelling. I have a pretty long history in Canada with my ancestors starting off clearing land to farm in Saskatchewan, so I feel that I have some ownership in many parts of this country and good idea of what its about thanks, and what it has become. Plus I have family spread from east to west. Regarding the rest of your comment Andrew, a lot of things are about to change for the west. Calgary’s failed Mayor is one of the first. The status quo won’t be accepted anymore. I think its pretty safe to say that.
Regarding First Nations which was someone else’s comment, I know for a fact that contrary to what lizzy May would have you believe, very many of them want the oil and gas industry employment and indeed have business’s suffering because of its kibosh. Apparently there are people who know how to make the details work . I don’t. Yet. I am going to find out though.

I think the problem of division is not so much East or West, nor even right and left, I think the problem has come down to right and wrong!
As one of the disenfranchised rural minority, I think that given the demographics – 85 to 90 % of people in Canada live in urban centers – we should separate from the lefties, and other urban liberals and build walls around the cities and force the urban liberals to live amongst themselves…and stay in their shit-hole rabbit warrens.
Of course I have about as much of an idea on how to achieve that as I do on having the West separate from the East…or the right separating from the left…
We have allowed our country to fall…it is a fallen country…we’ll probably have to go through the fire and destruction of Canada by the globalists and liberals, before any Canadians will appreciate what Canada used to be…of course it will be too late to do anything about it then…

Oops.. sorry about the repeat posts..

Oops.. sorry about the repeat posts..We all could sit right back and laugh at the Trudeau globalist goofs going down the drain..

Oops.. sorry about the repeat posts..We all could sit right back and laugh at the Trudeau globalist goofs going down the drain..Keep ahead of the curve.. don’t go down with the Canadian globalist political correctness horse sh!t.. Canada is done. Trudeau was just voted in again.. Do you need anymore proof?

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.While we are separating.. we should be at the same time working on a deal to become part of the USA.. This is where I agree with John Wick’s comment about.. no currency, no trade deals etc.. That would be one hellava load of start up stress and paperwork nightmare.. The more reason to become States of America.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.While we are separating.. we should be at the same time working on a deal to become part of the USA.. This is where I agree with John Wick’s comment about.. no currency, no trade deals etc.. That would be one hellava load of start up stress and paperwork nightmare.. The more reason to become States of America.Think of the transition ease we would have.. The advantages would go both ways for the existing Americans and the New Americans.
We would end up with a northern US Border Wall and a southern US Border Wall surrounding the Trudopeians protecting our existing way of life.
Trudeau would get what he wants along with the other globalist dictators on the climate change BS.. Because there is no pipeline on Canadian soil. So he can slap all the carbon tax he and the other dictators want to. Canada as we once knew.. is gone for good.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.While we are separating.. we should be at the same time working on a deal to become part of the USA.. This is where I agree with John Wick’s comment about.. no currency, no trade deals etc.. That would be one hellava load of start up stress and paperwork nightmare.. The more reason to become States of America.Think of the transition ease we would have.. The advantages would go both ways for the existing Americans and the New Americans.
We would end up with a northern US Border Wall and a southern US Border Wall surrounding the Trudopeians protecting our existing way of life.
Trudeau would get what he wants along with the other globalist dictators on the climate change BS.. Because there is no pipeline on Canadian soil. So he can slap all the carbon tax he and the other dictators want to. Canada as we once knew.. is gone for good.All this positive transition could be done by pen and handshakes.
No civil war.. No bloodshed.

Oops.. sorry about the repeat post.I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.While we are separating.. we should be at the same time working on a deal to become part of the USA.. This is where I agree with John Wick’s comment about.. no currency, no trade deals etc.. That would be one hellava load of start up stress and paperwork nightmare.. The more reason to become States of America.Think of the transition ease we would have.. The advantages would go both ways for the existing Americans and the New Americans.
We would end up with a northern US Border Wall and a southern US Border Wall surrounding the Trudopeians protecting our existing way of life.
Trudeau would get what he wants along with the other globalist dictators on the climate change BS.. Because there is no pipeline on Canadian soil. So he can slap all the carbon tax he and the other dictators want to. Canada as we once knew.. is gone for good.All this positive transition could be done by pen and handshakes.
No civil war.. No bloodshed.Even if Trudeau were to say a complete 180 degree turnaround.. and said he would work with the West.. Would you believe him and any of his crew?

“Most people who live in Toronto have no clue what this country is about when they get here and they don’t care. "

I;’d argue the other way – most people in Alberta have no clue what this country is about. The election results show it.

“Liz Rosie commented 2019-10-23 18:17:54 -0400 · Flag
Sovereignty isn’t given, its taken. If the east wants to flood itself with the third world, and be ruled from afar let them”

Have you been to Calgary lately (a city, I’ll point out, has a Muslim mayor)? Alberta’s a top destination for immigrants.

“Do you seriously think that the natives are going to side with Ottawa who has screwed them for 200 years and our current “thanks for your donation” Elitist or with Alberta who has given them employment that most first nations in Cancuksitan only wish they had?”

“Alberta” hasn’t provided them with that employmnet, and I do believe they gained that under the current regime. As for the treaties, they’d be trading being ignored by the Feds for being ignored by Alberta which will invariably do what you just did – a pat on the head and tell them to be grateful for a job, while the government focuses on more important issues, such as making sure Albertans have the right to wave guns at each other if they get cut off in traffic.

Many of them are just itching to renegotiate those treaties. They’ll side wiht Alberta, but it’ll cost ya.

We all could sit right back and laugh at the Trudeau globalist goofs going down the drain..

Keep ahead of the curve.. don’t go down with the Canadian globalist political correctness horse sh!t.. Canada is done. Trudeau was just voted in again.. Do you need anymore proof?

Liz Rosie,

If you separate – you have NOTHING. You have no dollar, you have no trade deals and the oil that you do have – costs more than other countries, so no one is going to spend more money on your oil. You also need Canada for any imports.

You laughably think you can just say OK, we are no longer part of Canada – Alberta the country is now open for business. Has it occurred to you that Canada has deals with other countries, so those countries are not going to break deals with Canada to deal with Alberta.

I posted this on another article.. It needs some tweaking that’s true.. but it’s the gist of it that’s important imo.

I agree with Liz Rosie about Canada is gone.. I agree with John Wick also. I know.. did hell just freeze over? The west is in motion to separate. I believe they/we should consider a Borderline from east to west.. coast to coast. Figure out where the CPC & PPC voters are(Map).. which are mostly in the northern parts of the Provinces.

While we are separating.. we should be at the same time working on a deal to become part of the USA.. This is where I agree with John Wick’s comment about.. no currency, no trade deals etc.. That would be one hellava load of start up stress and paperwork nightmare.. The more reason to become States of America.

Think of the transition ease we would have.. The advantages would go both ways for the existing Americans and the New Americans.
We would end up with a northern US Border Wall and a southern US Border Wall surrounding the Trudopeians protecting our existing way of life.
Trudeau would get what he wants along with the other globalist dictators on the climate change BS.. Because there is no pipeline on Canadian soil. So he can slap all the carbon tax he and the other dictators want to. Canada as we once knew.. is gone for good.

All this positive transition could be done by pen and handshakes.
No civil war.. No bloodshed.

Even if Trudeau were to say a complete 180 degree turnaround.. and said he would work with the West.. Would you believe him and any of his crew?

Trudeau held his first news conference and vowed to work with the West.
After his old man destroyed Alb

Trudeau held his first n

Duke of Paducah, 90% of the coal going through the Pt. Roberts Port is American coal. BC ships it out for the Americans because the 3 West Coast States refuse to do it. A protest blocking these trains wouldn’t help Alberta.

Isn’t it a hypocrisy that BC will ship the dirtiest fossil fuel for another Country but half the BC people don’t want to ship Canada’s Oil?

A very good case can be made to switch East West commerce to a North South orientation.
Fly over country in the States married to fly over Canada. A marriage made in heaven and nobody will refuse to decorate the cake .