About this Episode

The FBI revelations surrounding the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) have raised big questions about the incentives driving large so-called “anti-hate” institutions. When public fear becomes a business funding model, the line between monitoring extremism and manufacturing it appears to blur.

Gavin McInnes, the guest on today's show, is often cited as an example of the personal fallout. He told Ezra that allegations tied to “hate group” designations by the SPLC had real-world consequences, from social ostracism to vandalism and reputational damage. How much influence do these labels carry, and how rigorously are they applied?

And when these "anti-hate" move beyond observation, funding or amplifying fringe actors to demonstrate the very threats they warn about, they need to be completely exposed as fraudulent. They start a fire, then raise funds to put it out.

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